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the nra would try to do that. there monsters out there every day and we need to do something to stop it. a gun is a tool. the problem is the criminal. >> that's the best, i guess, of nr a's ceo. after the press conference friday, he had another strike out on "meet the press." a house democrat is backing a package that pushes background checks on gun buyers and those on the terrorist watch list. from buying and owning guns. yeah. right now that is actually legal. in addition, the bill would require gun owners to report lost or stolen weapons and make it harder to carry permits. do you notice what's missing from the list? armed guards at the school. with matt miller, we will talk about all of this. matt, republican pollster was on cbs talking about wayne la pierre and i want to listen to the comments and get your take. >> i don't think the nra is listening. i don't think that they understand. most americans would protect the second amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not every human being should own a
the nra would try to do that. there monsters out there every day and we need to do something to stop it. a gun is a tool. the problem is the criminal. >> that's the best, i guess, of nr a's ceo. after the press conference friday, he had another strike out on "meet the press." a house democrat is backing a package that pushes background checks on gun buyers and those on the terrorist watch list. from buying and owning guns. yeah. right now that is actually legal. in addition, the...
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shame on the nra. ban assault weapons now. >> you won't believe what the nra wants to do to our schools. you're watching "politics nation" on msnbc. i always wait until the last minute. can i still ship a gift in time for christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express by december 22nd for christmas delivery. >>> today's biggest reaction came from the protest that broke out at the nra press conference. fred says interesting that the nra is talking about security while being unable to secure its own press conference. jodi asked will the nra never admit that assault weapons are not necessary and kill countless people? our fans also love this photo of the president observing a moment of silence for sandy hook this morning. derold said i prayed that we can learn how to resolve problems without the use of guns. we want to hear what you think, too. please, head over to facebook and search po"politics nation" d like us t
shame on the nra. ban assault weapons now. >> you won't believe what the nra wants to do to our schools. you're watching "politics nation" on msnbc. i always wait until the last minute. can i still ship a gift in time for christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express by december 22nd for christmas delivery. >>> today's biggest reaction came from the protest that broke out at the...
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>> the nra, this isn't new stuff. the nra, a high ranking official, said as much in 1990, that this is not about defense or this is not about hunting. this is not just about defense of the home, and we should be honest about that. this is about protecting ourselves from the government if we ever need to. >> you know, mayor nutter, michael nutter, i'm very proud to have him on, mayor nutter. the idea of the constitution which we can read, it's right in there, you have a right to have a musket because you have to be of a militia. militias are the people who are supposed to be carrying out the public order, protecting domestic tranquility, not creating trouble. they're supposed to be helping to protect against. these guys, these nuts come on and say i need my gun to fight my government. >> yeah. no, that's the police department, your state police, the national guard, and under -- i can't even imagine the circumstance. that's why we have the army. this is -- it's an absurdity, quite frankly, and the wonderful thing about
>> the nra, this isn't new stuff. the nra, a high ranking official, said as much in 1990, that this is not about defense or this is not about hunting. this is not just about defense of the home, and we should be honest about that. this is about protecting ourselves from the government if we ever need to. >> you know, mayor nutter, michael nutter, i'm very proud to have him on, mayor nutter. the idea of the constitution which we can read, it's right in there, you have a right to have...
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answer the question, who does the nra speak for? >> it is hard to disentangle all the different people they kind of represent, but you have to look at it this way. they receive millions and millions of corporate donations. since about 2005, the policy center found they received $38.9 million from various gun industry groups and people that sell ammo, that sell assault-style weapons that were used in the tragedy in newtown. but, at the same time, you kind of scope that back and look at their entire budget, right? this group is about 220, $250 million they will spend in a year. and a vast majority comes from the dues they pay and the ads they send to those members. at one time you have this kind of very avid and very vocal group of gun owners sort of the grassroots. at the same time, you have this corporate element and some of the biggest donors individually are also the corporate elements. >> is the second amendments right advocacy group or is this a lobbying force for the gun industry? >> again, it is kind of hard to say, where does
answer the question, who does the nra speak for? >> it is hard to disentangle all the different people they kind of represent, but you have to look at it this way. they receive millions and millions of corporate donations. since about 2005, the policy center found they received $38.9 million from various gun industry groups and people that sell ammo, that sell assault-style weapons that were used in the tragedy in newtown. but, at the same time, you kind of scope that back and look at...
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about the nra's power. mayor michael bloomberg's right hand power. will real america come around on common sense gun laws? >> john nichols on the conservative push to keep common sense gun laws out of the middle of the country. plus, republican obstacles to reduce violence with jonathan and alex wagner. and dr. gail saultz on the role mental health professionals need to play to reduce the violence. >> no single law. no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world or prevent every senseless act of violence in our society. but that can't be an excuse for an action.
about the nra's power. mayor michael bloomberg's right hand power. will real america come around on common sense gun laws? >> john nichols on the conservative push to keep common sense gun laws out of the middle of the country. plus, republican obstacles to reduce violence with jonathan and alex wagner. and dr. gail saultz on the role mental health professionals need to play to reduce the violence. >> no single law. no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world or prevent every...
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does the nra have disproportionate power? you argued a moment ago they didn't have the power they once did in a presidential election. >> i'll give you a good example. i'm not the kind of person to sit back and say, you know, the world is getting worse for my kids, and i'm gone, i don't care about their lives. i do care about their lives. i'm going to do everything while i'm alive to make the world a better place for my kids but also for society. and take a look. one of the things i decided to do in the last election was to support some candidates that were running against those that had great records with the nra, where the nra was putting their money into one side. i decided to put my money into the other side. >> joe baca in california, one of the democrats that you supported? >> we won four out of seven -- four out of seven where the nra supported every one of those four and we won with a small amount of money. there is this myth that the nra is so powerful. you go back to what happened back when the democrats lost after
does the nra have disproportionate power? you argued a moment ago they didn't have the power they once did in a presidential election. >> i'll give you a good example. i'm not the kind of person to sit back and say, you know, the world is getting worse for my kids, and i'm gone, i don't care about their lives. i do care about their lives. i'm going to do everything while i'm alive to make the world a better place for my kids but also for society. and take a look. one of the things i...
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. >> the nra's number one -- this myth that the nra can destroy political careers is just not true. >> it not a myth that after the assault weapons ban was passed, there was a huge political price for democrats to pay. and nearly 20 years later, they don't want to touch the issue. >> it is true that they lost a lot of seats then t cause and effect isn't quite so clear. and what happened then isn't what happens now. if 27 people killed, to children, if this isn't enough to change the mentality, the saipsyc psych ke of the american public. >> we have this assault rifle, the pistol, the semi-automatic pistols, the 9 millimeters, but we're also learning that these weapons were found and legally purchased by his mother, at her home. she lives in a rural area and had them for self-defense. >> i can't tell you if you stopped people who have psychiatric problems, who have criminal records who have substance abuse problems, who are minors, if you ever stopped any of them from guy buying a gun, that this particular event would not take place. this is just one in a series of what happens again a
. >> the nra's number one -- this myth that the nra can destroy political careers is just not true. >> it not a myth that after the assault weapons ban was passed, there was a huge political price for democrats to pay. and nearly 20 years later, they don't want to touch the issue. >> it is true that they lost a lot of seats then t cause and effect isn't quite so clear. and what happened then isn't what happens now. if 27 people killed, to children, if this isn't enough to...
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the nra's contribution? more guns. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> given the nra's track record, this is no idle chatter from a grand-standing lobbyist. this is what they do best. for most of the nra's history, the organization acted chiefly as a sporting and hunting association. in the first 100 plus years of its existence, the nra stuck to training and marksmanship and while they have had a legislative affairs division since the 1930s, it wasn't until the mid 1970s that the organization made a radical turn into politics. since 1980, 44 states have passed some form of law advocated by the nra that allows gun owners to carry concealed weapons. just in the past four years across 37 states, the nra and its allies have helped to pass 99 laws making guns easier to own, to carry in public, and harder to track. the group has helped pass legal gems like allowing gun owners in kansas to carry co
the nra's contribution? more guns. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> given the nra's track record, this is no idle chatter from a grand-standing lobbyist. this is what they do best. for most of the nra's history, the organization acted chiefly as a sporting and hunting association. in the first 100 plus years of its existence, the nra stuck to training and...
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does the nra have disproportionate power? you argued a moment ago that they don't have the power they once had in a presidential election. >> i will give you a good example. i'm not the kind of person to sit back and say, the world is getting worse for my kids. when i'm gone, i don't care about their lives. i do care about their lives. i will do everything i can while i'm alive to make the world a better place for my kids, but also for society. take a look, one of the things they decided to do in the last election was to support candidates that were running against those that had great records with the nra. where the nra was putting their money into one side. i decided to put my mother into the other side. >> joe baca in california, a democrat -- >> we won four out of seven. four out of seven where the nra supported every one of those fours and we won with a small amount of money. there is this myth that the nra is so powerful, you go back to what happened back when the democrats lost after the assault weapons ban. i don't kn
does the nra have disproportionate power? you argued a moment ago that they don't have the power they once had in a presidential election. >> i will give you a good example. i'm not the kind of person to sit back and say, the world is getting worse for my kids. when i'm gone, i don't care about their lives. i do care about their lives. i will do everything i can while i'm alive to make the world a better place for my kids, but also for society. take a look, one of the things they decided...
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and right now the nra is on its heels defenders of our insanely permissive gun laws in defensive crouch right now and it's the time you want to capitalize on that. it's probably the only time. you don't want to let those forces, any sense of complacency setback and you don't want to let the force that is are standing in the way of progress on this issue give them time to regroup and get them -- bolster their efforts. this is going to exist. it's not easy to get done. >> mika, you look at what happened, how it happened. we talked about this happening in shopping mallses in oregon and movie theaters in colorado, college campuses in virginia. of course finally a first grade class in connecticut. in a state that certainly has tougher gun laws than, say, a lot of other red states. in a community that seems like it should have been so shielded from this and a season that is supposed to be about peace. >> exactly. >> i think it underlined in so many ways why none of us, are none of us are shielded from this kind of violence unless we force our leaders to do something. >> well, and, again, i th
and right now the nra is on its heels defenders of our insanely permissive gun laws in defensive crouch right now and it's the time you want to capitalize on that. it's probably the only time. you don't want to let those forces, any sense of complacency setback and you don't want to let the force that is are standing in the way of progress on this issue give them time to regroup and get them -- bolster their efforts. this is going to exist. it's not easy to get done. >> mika, you look at...
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nra arm school guards. lobbying groups call the arm and trade guards in schools on the same page as the memorial held for the hospice nurse work killed earlier this month. obama offers up kerry as top diplomat. the "los angeles times" has the front page story moviegoing as an endurance test. about how movies like "the hobbit" are epic lengths and smaller theaters say that hurts their profits. >>> president obama's in hawaii today where he and the first family will spend christmas. but the president says he will return to the white house after the holiday to continue working on a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. joining me now, white house editor from politico, rachel smolkin. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> holiday red there, rachel. i will begin with you. is there any realistic timetable where a deal gets done beforian 1? look at the calendar. >> there's a realistic timetable but not an optimistic timetable. not a lot of holiday cheer going on in the nation's capital. after the stunning is heback sp
nra arm school guards. lobbying groups call the arm and trade guards in schools on the same page as the memorial held for the hospice nurse work killed earlier this month. obama offers up kerry as top diplomat. the "los angeles times" has the front page story moviegoing as an endurance test. about how movies like "the hobbit" are epic lengths and smaller theaters say that hurts their profits. >>> president obama's in hawaii today where he and the first family will...
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an nra member. he told joe scarborough why he thinks we ought to talk about this. >> never before have we seen our babies slaughtered. it's never happened in america that i can recall, ever seeing this type of carnage. anybody, anybody that lives in america, anybody that's a proud gun owner, anybody that's a proud member of the nra, they're also proud parents, proud grandparents, they understand. this has changed where we go from here. i'm going to speak to all my colleagues. i'm going to reach out to all of my friends at the nra. i'll go over and sit down with them and say how can we take the dialogue to a different level? how can we sit down and make sure we're moving and not be afraid that someone is going to attack our freedoms and our rights. >> let me go back to mr. larson. this is a real trouble here because it always goes back to freedom and the fact we love this freedom we feel. adlai stevenson once said freedom in this doesn't is something you can actually feel. it just feels great, the se
an nra member. he told joe scarborough why he thinks we ought to talk about this. >> never before have we seen our babies slaughtered. it's never happened in america that i can recall, ever seeing this type of carnage. anybody, anybody that lives in america, anybody that's a proud gun owner, anybody that's a proud member of the nra, they're also proud parents, proud grandparents, they understand. this has changed where we go from here. i'm going to speak to all my colleagues. i'm going to...
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they have continued to broadcast nra news. it is a show owned and operated by the nra and it appears online each day. last night host jenny simone led her program by responding to jay carney's announcement on the president's support for a new assault weapons ban. >> more gun laws are not the answer and what we need to do is stop making schools magnets for mass murderers like adam lanza. >> the show then went on to rail against gun-free school zones saying if the teachers at newtown had been armed, they would have survived. >> good advice for senator feinstein and some of those anti-gunners on the hill to listen to some of these survivors at the school. these gun-free zones are not the answer. people are left at sitting ducks. adam lanza knew he was going to be able to do what he wanted to do. >> earlier this month nra ceo wayne la pierre warned members to get prepared for a massive effort by the white house to take away guns. >> we are about to be victim of a siege against the second amendment in this country going into obama'
they have continued to broadcast nra news. it is a show owned and operated by the nra and it appears online each day. last night host jenny simone led her program by responding to jay carney's announcement on the president's support for a new assault weapons ban. >> more gun laws are not the answer and what we need to do is stop making schools magnets for mass murderers like adam lanza. >> the show then went on to rail against gun-free school zones saying if the teachers at newtown...
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does the nra have disproportionate power? you argued a moment ago they didn't have the power they once did in a presidential election. >> i'll give you a good example. i'm not the kind of person to sit back and say, you know, the world is getting worse for my kids, and i'm gone, i don't care about their lives. i do care about their lives. i'm going to do everything while i'm alive to make the world a better place for my kids but also for society. and take a look. one of the things i decided to do in the last election was to support some candidates that were running against those that had great records with the nra, where the nra was putting their money into one side. i decided to put my money into the other side. >> joe baca in california, one of the democrats that you supported? >> we won four out of seven -- four out of seven where the nra supported every one of those four and we won with a small amount of money. there is this myth that the nra is so powerful. you go back to what happened back when the democrats lost after
does the nra have disproportionate power? you argued a moment ago they didn't have the power they once did in a presidential election. >> i'll give you a good example. i'm not the kind of person to sit back and say, you know, the world is getting worse for my kids, and i'm gone, i don't care about their lives. i do care about their lives. i'm going to do everything while i'm alive to make the world a better place for my kids but also for society. and take a look. one of the things i...
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but we also need to take a look at what's going on to combat the nra, to push back against the nra. you know, i wrote a piece talking about how mayor bloomberg is doing his part with mayors against illegal guns and also his super pac, independence usa pac, where he's really going out there, pushing back against illegal guns, going up against the nra in only the way mike bloomberg can, one, because he's a billionaire. and being a billionaire gives you the money to go up against the nra, which a lot of people donate ha don't have, but it also gives him that independence to sort of tell the nra to stuff it. so if you have the president out there pushing, you have mayor bloomberg out there pushing, then i think it's incumbent upon all of us to go out there and and give our members of congress the courage they need to tell the nra, this time, we're not listening to you. this time, we're going to do something. >> yeah. john heilemann? >> well, look, i think that that's all true. and you know, you know, the president has the loudest voice here. and he can't -- you know, he's only one voice
but we also need to take a look at what's going on to combat the nra, to push back against the nra. you know, i wrote a piece talking about how mayor bloomberg is doing his part with mayors against illegal guns and also his super pac, independence usa pac, where he's really going out there, pushing back against illegal guns, going up against the nra in only the way mike bloomberg can, one, because he's a billionaire. and being a billionaire gives you the money to go up against the nra, which a...
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when you see some say the nra cannot be saved. there is no messaging that will work for them at this point. the politics are against them. that's where they become desperate just like the tobacco lobbyists did when they were up against it. in the end the politics is not going to work for them on this track. and they're going to change. >> so we've -- between newtown and christmas eve, chances that we are going to get meaningful gun control yes or no, richard you first and then you julian. >> yes. >> julian? >> yes. particularly if there is a concerted movement over many months. >> it was a yes or no. it was just a yes or no. >> but there's a key proviseo. there. every time we've done this, the nra counts on the clock. that the public will shift attention over time. the key here is the public todays focused. but that's the key contingency. >> i think the sad reality of the christmas eve incident is that we'll continue to see gun violence. sadly there will continue to be examples that we can point to to try to keep the pressure on.
when you see some say the nra cannot be saved. there is no messaging that will work for them at this point. the politics are against them. that's where they become desperate just like the tobacco lobbyists did when they were up against it. in the end the politics is not going to work for them on this track. and they're going to change. >> so we've -- between newtown and christmas eve, chances that we are going to get meaningful gun control yes or no, richard you first and then you julian....
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the nra, you heard the statement. more guns. guns in schools perhaps. mike bloomberg has just issued a statement saying the nra's washington leadership has long been out of step with its members and never has it been so apparent as this morning. their press conference was a shameful invasion of the issues facing our country. >> i agree. saying that we are the simple solution is to have an armed guard in every school just they basically skirted the issues. one of the major issues we have here is, you know, we've got guns, assault weapons that the military would normally use. we've got those in our neighborhoods and in our schools. we can't have that. he talked, mr. la pierre of the nra, talked at length about the monster that is are in our society, but he really, andrea, didn't talk about how we make sure those monsters don't get the guns. i haut it was an effort to try to put forth a solution, but that solution is very, very limited. he never talked about these high capacity ammo clips that are not needed unless you're killing -- trying to kill a lot of
the nra, you heard the statement. more guns. guns in schools perhaps. mike bloomberg has just issued a statement saying the nra's washington leadership has long been out of step with its members and never has it been so apparent as this morning. their press conference was a shameful invasion of the issues facing our country. >> i agree. saying that we are the simple solution is to have an armed guard in every school just they basically skirted the issues. one of the major issues we have...
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sibolt, are you comfortable with what the nra put forward today? >> absolutely. more guns equals less crime. if we don't arm our teachers, if we don't have guards at the schools, there's no question about it that this is going to happen again. but at least the teachers have a fighting chance. at least they have a fighting chance to save those little kids. >> i don't want to read into this. do i understand your view that it would be a requirement for teachers? what if i'm a teacher who doesn't want to carry a firearm. i'm not proficient and i want nothing to do with guns. >> i don't want my kid in your class then. my kid is in danger. i'll send my kid to another school where the teacher is willing. >> so to a young person in school today maybe pursuing a career in college to school young people, they would also need to be trained and comfortable with the idea of carrying a weapon? >> unfortunately, this is the world we live in. >> one last thing, daefd. by that logic, why not arm the students as well? >> because the students are children. >> a high school? an 18-y
sibolt, are you comfortable with what the nra put forward today? >> absolutely. more guns equals less crime. if we don't arm our teachers, if we don't have guards at the schools, there's no question about it that this is going to happen again. but at least the teachers have a fighting chance. at least they have a fighting chance to save those little kids. >> i don't want to read into this. do i understand your view that it would be a requirement for teachers? what if i'm a teacher...
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the nra says that's what will clean our children safe. we'll talk to one former governor who took on that gun lobby. >> thank you and god bless america. you guys are the best. thank you so much. >> then details out today about mitt romney's not so enthusiastic approach to running for the white house and what it might say about the will challenges ahead for the gop. good afternoon. all that and more ahead. >>> first, lawmakers are down to the wire on avoiding the fiscal cliff. will they get a deal done before the end of the year, president obama is on vacation and so is house speaker john boehner, but here's what they said before they left. >> call me a hopeless optimist, but i actually still think we can get it done. >> of course, hope springs eternal, and i know we have it in us to come together and to do the right thing. >> for more on all this i want to bring in nbc's white house correspondent kristen welker who is traveling with the president in hawaii. she joins us now from honolulu. hey, kristen. the president and the speaker are st
the nra says that's what will clean our children safe. we'll talk to one former governor who took on that gun lobby. >> thank you and god bless america. you guys are the best. thank you so much. >> then details out today about mitt romney's not so enthusiastic approach to running for the white house and what it might say about the will challenges ahead for the gop. good afternoon. all that and more ahead. >>> first, lawmakers are down to the wire on avoiding the fiscal...
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>>> this morning on "first look", the head of the nra fires back at critics explaining why he wants to address gun violence in schools with more guns. >>> retailers prepare for the last holiday hooray as time ticks away for procrastinating shoppers. >>> plus, a u.s. senator arrested on dui charges. the world's most expensive christmas dinner. >>> and "the hobbit" holds on. >>> very good morning to you. i'm veronica de la cruz. days after the national rifle association's first public comment since the massacre, they're criticizing him for wanting to put armed guards in school. he's sticking to his guns. congress can't do anything about it until next month nbc danielle leigh joins us from washington. good morning. >> reporter: veronica, good morning. as that gun debate heats up, we are also approaching the fiscal cliff. we're talking about uncertainty now on two issues close to american's hearts and across the country people are responding. some spending less this holiday this season as the fiscal cliff nears and others buying guns as that intensifies. fresh off a demand for armed guards
>>> this morning on "first look", the head of the nra fires back at critics explaining why he wants to address gun violence in schools with more guns. >>> retailers prepare for the last holiday hooray as time ticks away for procrastinating shoppers. >>> plus, a u.s. senator arrested on dui charges. the world's most expensive christmas dinner. >>> and "the hobbit" holds on. >>> very good morning to you. i'm veronica de la cruz....
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everyone, including nra members, there was a recent poll by frank luntz which said 74% of nra members believe everyone should have a background check. >> why is that not the case, governor? why does that not exist? >> because the nra has created an illusion that they are going to beat you if they are against you, and i sit here as an ex-governor of the second largest nra membership state in the union, pennsylvania. three times i ran for statewide office. i won by 10 points, 12 points and 21 points, and the nra opposed me each and every time. they are a paper tiger, and it's time for men and women in congress to have the guts to stand up for our kids and for our people. >> so you think michael bloomberg, mayor bloomberg was right this morning, when he said that the organization's power has been overstated dramatically. >> well, i wouldn't be here. this is the second largest nra state in the union, pennsylvania, and i won statewide three times by virtual landslides. the nra was dead set against me because of the work i had done as mayor on gun control, and i won three times overwhelming
everyone, including nra members, there was a recent poll by frank luntz which said 74% of nra members believe everyone should have a background check. >> why is that not the case, governor? why does that not exist? >> because the nra has created an illusion that they are going to beat you if they are against you, and i sit here as an ex-governor of the second largest nra membership state in the union, pennsylvania. three times i ran for statewide office. i won by 10 points, 12...
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the nra will be holding a press conference. they released a statement that said the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again. erin, what do you think they mean by that, the nra? what do you think they will support? >> i think they know that something is going to be passed, and it will serve them best to be in this fight from the very beginning. not a fight really. i think they're serious. i think they know this is a problem, and it would just be best for them -- >> you mean they'll support some gun restrictions. >> i think they will absolutely. >> when have they done it before? >> i can't say but -- >> when have they done it before? they have never done it before. >> they never have, but when they say they want to give some meaningful contributions, they mean it. >> they'll talk about mental illness, possible checks on mental illness, the video culture of our society, they'll talk about everything but guns. your thought, ron. we have to get out of here, but i don't have any co
the nra will be holding a press conference. they released a statement that said the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again. erin, what do you think they mean by that, the nra? what do you think they will support? >> i think they know that something is going to be passed, and it will serve them best to be in this fight from the very beginning. not a fight really. i think they're serious. i think they know this is a problem, and it would...
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he was elected three times to his position after the opposing the nra. and mayor michael bloomberg says they are not as hard core as they think they are and they can be wasn't. where do you fall on those strategy there is? >> listen, i bristle when i think of any member of congress, house or senate, being beholden to any special interest group. i have distanced myselves from americans with tax reform organization because of some key facts that i thought led me in that direction and i cast a vote against the nra earlier this year. i like to think members respect beholden to a special interest group. >> where do you think the values of nra members fly is all sorts of statistics that say that the majority of nra members believe that there should be deep background checks that they are not necessarily for assault weapons. why is it that the majority of the members of the nra compromise those ideologies that there is anything but incredible background check he s and delay purchasing assault rifles or even the ability to get an assault rifle. why do we have th
he was elected three times to his position after the opposing the nra. and mayor michael bloomberg says they are not as hard core as they think they are and they can be wasn't. where do you fall on those strategy there is? >> listen, i bristle when i think of any member of congress, house or senate, being beholden to any special interest group. i have distanced myselves from americans with tax reform organization because of some key facts that i thought led me in that direction and i cast...
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if past is prologue, where is the nra's next move going forward? >> well, you know, i think that's a good question because past may not be prologue here. the past was that the obama administration saw absolutely no chance of getting this flew congress. president obama when he campaigned for his first term, said he would like to look at reveezing the assault weapons ban. the white house sent some gentle signal early on they might try to do that, and it was instantly clear that they backed away from it. the mere prospect of president obama's being elected caused a huge run on ammunition, police departments were almost running out of it. now many democrats think the situation is different because of newtown and the other mass shootings this year, so i guess we're going to find out whether past is prologue. things have -- things may have changed. we're going to have to see how much they have. >> senators kay bailey hutchison and mark warren yesterday segment nauling their willing tons talk about this, and most likely the conversation leading itself to
if past is prologue, where is the nra's next move going forward? >> well, you know, i think that's a good question because past may not be prologue here. the past was that the obama administration saw absolutely no chance of getting this flew congress. president obama when he campaigned for his first term, said he would like to look at reveezing the assault weapons ban. the white house sent some gentle signal early on they might try to do that, and it was instantly clear that they backed...
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you sit there in a meeting and some nra guys are at the meeting. they say you're on a slippery slope. next you'll be after your deer rifle, they say. it's not a slippery slope. what do you say? >> no one wants to take away your deer rifle, number one. every one of our amendments are qualified. and number three, if you guys are so tough how come you opposed me in three state campaigns and i got elected by 10 points, 12 points, and 21 points. if the nra is so tough, how did i win? >> because the suburbanites love you. you didn't change their minds you beat them. >> in my first election i won 15 out of 67 counties. in my second i won 33 out of 67 counties. >> yeah. >> so they're not that tough. they are literally a paper tiger. they're the wizard of oz. >> that's because you're running against my brother and len swann. i'm just teasing. i'm teasing my brother there. did you find yourself successful as a guy who's known to be for gun control in areas of the state that are very tough on that? did you change any minds? did you manage to win minds over on
you sit there in a meeting and some nra guys are at the meeting. they say you're on a slippery slope. next you'll be after your deer rifle, they say. it's not a slippery slope. what do you say? >> no one wants to take away your deer rifle, number one. every one of our amendments are qualified. and number three, if you guys are so tough how come you opposed me in three state campaigns and i got elected by 10 points, 12 points, and 21 points. if the nra is so tough, how did i win? >>...
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i am the nra, okay? i am the nra. and my daddy was nra, and my granddaddy was the nra, and it's about my right to have a shotgun in my house, in the back of my truck, to go hunting, to protect my family, to let anybody know if they come to my castle, they're not going to leave in the middle of the night, if they break into my house, i'm going to take my gun and i'm going to kill them. and that's my right. it ain't got anything to do with assault weapons or these magazine clips that allow you to spray down 20 young children or people in malls or people in movie theaters. that is not the nra of my friends and church members in northwest florida. that is not the nra that they know. it is not the nra of survivalists or people who believe the federal government is coming to kick down their door and, you know, and seize all their property. >> you heard my father on the set yesterday after a day of hunting who said yeah, fine. give me a deep psychological examination, whatever. i don't need an assault weapon. it's not so har
i am the nra, okay? i am the nra. and my daddy was nra, and my granddaddy was the nra, and it's about my right to have a shotgun in my house, in the back of my truck, to go hunting, to protect my family, to let anybody know if they come to my castle, they're not going to leave in the middle of the night, if they break into my house, i'm going to take my gun and i'm going to kill them. and that's my right. it ain't got anything to do with assault weapons or these magazine clips that allow you to...
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for now we wan >>> this morning on "first look", the head of the nra fires back at critics explaining why he wants to talk about gun violence in school with more guns. >>> retailers prepare for the last holiday hurrah as time tux away for shopping procrastinators. >>> plus, a u.s. senator arrested on dui charges. the world's most expensive christmas dinner. and "the hobbit" holds on. very good morning to you, i'm veronica de la cruz. critics are taking aim at its controversial plan to put armed guards in schools. the head of the powerful group is sticking to its guns on the explosive issue. one congress won't be able to do anything about until sometime next month. danielle leigh joins us. >> as the gun debate heats up, we're talking about uncertainty. across the country people are responding. some spending less this holiday season as the fiscal cliff nears, others buying guns as that debate intensifies. fresh off the demand for armed guards in every school, wayne lapierre remained defiant in his one and only interview with david gregory. >> if it's crazy to call for putting police and
for now we wan >>> this morning on "first look", the head of the nra fires back at critics explaining why he wants to talk about gun violence in school with more guns. >>> retailers prepare for the last holiday hurrah as time tux away for shopping procrastinators. >>> plus, a u.s. senator arrested on dui charges. the world's most expensive christmas dinner. and "the hobbit" holds on. very good morning to you, i'm veronica de la cruz. critics are...
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what was the nra in the 1950s? where you learned how to shoot a target. >> do you remember, i'm sure you do, at the start of the first gulf war, millions of americans sat around and watched, on tv, a video game, in ee feffect, of w being conducted in the middle east. startling pictures. general schwartz corkoff get up we have the video games on the ground, that may have been the psyche of too many americans that war, assault weapons is a video game. that is certainly what we have going on today. if you see the advertisements for some of these video games you were speaking to yesterday. there was no concept of the reality of what a gunshot looks like on a human being. >> there is no concept of the actual noise of gunfire or the damage that a glock or certainly a bushmaster or assault weapon can do because you have a video game mentality. >> by the way, a lot of the people that are reflexively supporting the right of people to have semi-automatic weapons, they have no idea. they just have no idea. it's reflexive. eno
what was the nra in the 1950s? where you learned how to shoot a target. >> do you remember, i'm sure you do, at the start of the first gulf war, millions of americans sat around and watched, on tv, a video game, in ee feffect, of w being conducted in the middle east. startling pictures. general schwartz corkoff get up we have the video games on the ground, that may have been the psyche of too many americans that war, assault weapons is a video game. that is certainly what we have going on...
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. >> on "meet the press," david gregory asked the nra's chief spokesman, why not bring back the ten-year ban that expired in 2004. >> i don't believe that's going to make one difference. there are so many different ways to evade that. you had that for ten years. it was on the books. columbine occurred right in the middle of it. it didn't make any difference. >> the prospect of a ban on magazines or the kind of guns called assault weapons have people in atlanta standing in line for more than an hour at a gun show. customers at this shooting ranging in arizona say those weapons are widely used by sportsmen. >> guys that shoot clays, guys that shoot trophy animals, you know, a lot of them are done with semi-automatic hunting rifles. >> a group representing mothers says it will fight hard for a ban. >> 80 million moms are just not going to let the 4 million members of the nra drive the discussion on this. >> both sides are prepared for the biggest battle over gun control in 20 years. pete williams, nbc news, washington. >> what is open today if you need to get out of the house? and an epic f
. >> on "meet the press," david gregory asked the nra's chief spokesman, why not bring back the ten-year ban that expired in 2004. >> i don't believe that's going to make one difference. there are so many different ways to evade that. you had that for ten years. it was on the books. columbine occurred right in the middle of it. it didn't make any difference. >> the prospect of a ban on magazines or the kind of guns called assault weapons have people in atlanta...
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the gun rights activists and the nra don't stop talking about it. they regain the traction they had momentarily lost. there is still hope for that issue, but the president really needs to move on that in january wile also remembering that the first three priorities are the economy, the economy, and the economy. >> how -- i think part of the sad reality is there will continue to be gun violence between now and the time that any legislation is proposed, but how do we keep the pressure on, and again i think this question of getting something meaningful done because as dana pointed out, we know the nra isn't stopping. they are knocking on doors and making phone calls. how do we make sure something doesn't get watered down in the enand we get something meaningful? >> the key thing is to remember that the president has the bully pulpit and there are 535 people on capitol hill who can do something by sending a bill to the president that he can sign into law, but none of that is going to happen unless the anger that was there in the immediate hours and days
the gun rights activists and the nra don't stop talking about it. they regain the traction they had momentarily lost. there is still hope for that issue, but the president really needs to move on that in january wile also remembering that the first three priorities are the economy, the economy, and the economy. >> how -- i think part of the sad reality is there will continue to be gun violence between now and the time that any legislation is proposed, but how do we keep the pressure on,...
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we passed that in philadelphia and was sued by the nra. on the 100th day in office in '08, one of the pridest moments of my entire elected krooir, lost and stolen. you have to report your car if it's stolen if you want a claim from the insurance company. you certainly have to do the same thing for a weapon. these are reasonable, rooishl, straight-forward things. new jersey has figured out how to protect the second amendment and making people safer and new york has as well. >> will these things fly in georgia and atlanta? >> first of all, i think you need to start the conversation by respecting the second amendment so that we don't have a discussion about the second amendment. so we respect that in georgia and value it. the second part, i think, really is the path laid by ronald regan. the most important bill that ronald regan worked on after he was president was the assault ban and the brady bill. the nra fought him tooth and nail -- they fought ronald reagan on the brady bill and on the assault-ban bill which ewe allowed to lapse. the oth
we passed that in philadelphia and was sued by the nra. on the 100th day in office in '08, one of the pridest moments of my entire elected krooir, lost and stolen. you have to report your car if it's stolen if you want a claim from the insurance company. you certainly have to do the same thing for a weapon. these are reasonable, rooishl, straight-forward things. new jersey has figured out how to protect the second amendment and making people safer and new york has as well. >> will these...
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it's in line with what the nra said they hope will happen nationwide. if hearing the word posse conjures up the images of the old wild west. consider this, some districts want to see armed teachers in every school, as well. chairman of the utah shooting sport council just helped train some 200 teachers in handling concealed weapons and joins me live now from salt lake city. clark, good to see you, sir. >> thank you very much. good to be her. >> the idea of arming teachers, the head of the american teachers federation calls the idea, quote, irresponsible and dangerous. how do you make sure that an amateur gun user like most teachers would be, that they're able to handle guns safely in any circumstance? >> make no mistake, we're not talking about these folks doing tactical things inside a school against the shooter. we're encouraging them to institute the normal lockdown procedure which falls short when the shooter comes and crosses that threshold of a classroom. it doesn't take a lot of tactical training to produce otherwise discreetly maintained firearm
it's in line with what the nra said they hope will happen nationwide. if hearing the word posse conjures up the images of the old wild west. consider this, some districts want to see armed teachers in every school, as well. chairman of the utah shooting sport council just helped train some 200 teachers in handling concealed weapons and joins me live now from salt lake city. clark, good to see you, sir. >> thank you very much. good to be her. >> the idea of arming teachers, the head...
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people who are for guns -- we had the nra saying that kassandra perkins should have had a gun, should have had a handgun, if she had -- that's a little -- i'm sorry. one thing missing in the equation is that the woman owning a gun so she could save her life from that murderer. that's different from what you're saying here? >> it's something -- armchair quarterbacks is easy to do. we have a problem. the problem was a gentleman made the wrong decision or made a decision that's going to affect not only the young baby's life but families. you know, from my perspective and my view, what he did committed a crime. right and wrong. when somebody talks about, hey, john, you're going down a direction that's a little dangerous, ultimately myself as an educator, when i get up in the morning and have the opportunity to help, it's what i have to do. >> all right. bob, all week -- i want to see what bob has to say after john says that. bob? >> what i want to look at is the bottom line. if you have kids at a camp from the inner city who are learning how to assemble and disassemble a rifle and learnin
people who are for guns -- we had the nra saying that kassandra perkins should have had a gun, should have had a handgun, if she had -- that's a little -- i'm sorry. one thing missing in the equation is that the woman owning a gun so she could save her life from that murderer. that's different from what you're saying here? >> it's something -- armchair quarterbacks is easy to do. we have a problem. the problem was a gentleman made the wrong decision or made a decision that's going to...